here I am responding to a prompt. I might come back and clean this up. Yes! I am an artist ... and an astrologer! I'm so bloody talented I can barely stand myself. Also, attaching a random painting of mine to keep up the art blog ruse.
Me: One thing I would add- a lot of your relationship problems are somewhat dictated by problems beyond your control - the way 
opposes all that stuff in 
. This is one of those unfortunate collective, generation problem we in 
folks have to deal with - the concept of relating/relationship. How to redefine Relationship in a way that's healthy, loving, evolutionary advantageous, etc. Since so many personal planets oppose this for you, you might either experience or activate a lot which is perhaps toxic or maladaptive in relationship. Goes with the territory.
opposes all that stuff in . This is one of those unfortunate collective, generation problem we in folks have to deal with - the concept of relating/relationship. How to redefine Relationship in a way that's healthy, loving, evolutionary advantageous, etc. Since so many personal planets oppose this for you, you might either experience or activate a lot which is perhaps toxic or maladaptive in relationship. Goes with the territory.Querent:
Dear Pierrot Lunaire,thank you very much for your comment !!! It helped a lot : i felt a lot of time, that all you wrote is absolutely right. I am thinking often, that i dont have to do anything in a relationship, and that it is coming to me automaticly and without much effort. I have only 2 question left : when you wrote, that because ofall the planets in
Me:
1) you wanted to know about the nature of your personal planets- as to whether it was "does this mean, that i have no influence on this " and in a sense, this is correct. As individuals, we always forget that there are larger forces at play, exerting pressure of different types on our lives.
When we begiin to think about it, it makes sense: we all have to deal with, for instance, the same GLOBAL CONDITIONS - economy, politics, warring ideologies, values, etc - the same HISTORY as it was unfolding. OUr lives were etched in stone in accordance with where we were placed in the world - some people are 'lucky' to be born in places with more mobility -IE being born in the Western World to well-off parents vs. being born to poor sheepherders in the Serengeti.
this might be considered a
view of identity, both individual and collective identity. That there are limits as to what you can and are able to express in life, represent, experience, etc.
To me (and others), is a planet which marks GENERATIONS - that clump of people all born at around the same timeframe, and whose identities have been defined by collective events, histories, etc. Wherever falls in the chart is an area where those born under that sign will be shaped, to a large degree, by advances and bad experiences related to that sign.
An example= recent 9/11 events. Here in America lots of newspaper articles made big headlines advertising "Susie So-and-so was born on 9/11/2001" - seeing this reminded me of this - how a whole generation of in 
children came into a world where that event was more or less universally relevant - and the themes of that purely symbolic (for our purposes) event shaped the sort of society, economy, etc under which these children grew up.
For in , the larger theme which that event symbolizes was a certain loss of innocence regarding an infantile, bloated, overblown ideology of bombastic excess and utter irresponsibility which the U S of A has gleefully represented forever. America got its first (I daresay it's ONLY) serving of that which it has been dishing out for decades - and for the first time possibly ever, random people suffered something of an ideological/spiritual crisis. Definitely in the U.S. 9/11 galvanized a rabid, orgiastic brand of patriotism in many - and thoughtful pained Hamlet-like introspection in others. I dare not go into the matter further, though I hope it is obvious how the kids born into that energy will be tainted by issues of ideology, temperance, and their role in the larger world.
To go back to Susie So-and-so, let's say that (like you) she had her
in 
, directly opposing the 12degree. It means that, in her life, she will forever be witnessing, personally, the fallout of 9/11 and all it brought. That, in spite of her best intentions, she will always manage to push people's buttons whenever she speaks. She will find herself taking sides and defending points that either makes others re evaulate their lives, or will make her unpopular - she might even find occasion to be thought of as 'a terrorist .. an agitator' in her life. People will forever be projecting onto her all the crap that 9/11 raised.
In an astrological sense, Susie can't help it - through those personal planets there, her whole mode of expression is meant to polarize. Compare her with someone who has no personal planets near 12degree, for whom 9/11 was just
'that weird thing that happened' and for whom the whole generational drama is just noise in the background.
In your case, with the in , your generational baggage had all to do with relating, social/gender roles, the institutions of marriage, partnerships of all sorts, etc. saw the solidification of FEminism and the tail-end of the Sexual revolution, the American decision (roe v. wade) that made abortion legal and federally protected, which helped liberate women from the bondage of involuntary breeding etc. Social and sexual roles were severely tested. A divorce epidemic arose which affected all of us born in those years. Etc
In the larger world, US foreign relations showed a definitely 'unloving' and 'unbrotherly' relating to the rest of the world (and for all of those still stuck in the offended-Polyanna "why do they hate us???" of thesaturated 9/11 reminiscing, you might view US foreign policy in the 70s as the merest CLUE). Aside from the Vietnam debacle end, the 70s show a definite, relentless intervention on freely elected governments all over South America. This link states that, between 1972 and 1984 (the range, roughly of ), the US made no less than 16 incursions and interventions in latin america - probably more.http://www.zompist.com/latam.html
Does any of this, Martin, ring a bell? Does any of this I state make you feel particularly uncomfortable, or excited, or fired up? Do people ever accuse you of (like the US policy of the 70s) forcing your hand too much? Do you find yourself in conflicts with women? Is there something in you that feels particularly affected, confused, antagonized by the ways that men seem to relate with women nowadays? Have you had male role models who talk about 'the good ole days'? Do you ever act out that tension in your relationships? This is what I meant when I talked about 'influence' & 'fate'. Just the understanding that we are all dealing with relationship, but you deal with it on a personal level.
your personal planets- as to whether it was "does this mean, that i have no influence on this " and in a sense, this is correct. As individuals, we always forget that there are larger forces at play, exerting pressure of different types on our lives.When we begiin to think about it, it makes sense: we all have to deal with, for instance, the same GLOBAL CONDITIONS - economy, politics, warring ideologies, values, etc - the same HISTORY as it was unfolding. OUr lives were etched in stone in accordance with where we were placed in the world - some people are 'lucky' to be born in places with more mobility -IE being born in the Western World to well-off parents vs. being born to poor sheepherders in the Serengeti.
this might be considered a
view of identity, both individual and collective identity. That there are limits as to what you can and are able to express in life, represent, experience, etc.To me (and others),
is a planet which marks GENERATIONS - that clump of people all born at around the same timeframe, and whose identities have been defined by collective events, histories, etc. Wherever falls in the chart is an area where those born under that sign will be shaped, to a large degree, by advances and bad experiences related to that sign.An example= recent 9/11 events. Here in America lots of newspaper articles made big headlines advertising "Susie So-and-so was born on 9/11/2001" - seeing this reminded me of this - how a whole generation of
in children came into a world where that event was more or less universally relevant - and the themes of that purely symbolic (for our purposes) event shaped the sort of society, economy, etc under which these children grew up.For
in , the larger theme which that event symbolizes was a certain loss of innocence regarding an infantile, bloated, overblown ideology of bombastic excess and utter irresponsibility which the U S of A has gleefully represented forever. America got its first (I daresay it's ONLY) serving of that which it has been dishing out for decades - and for the first time possibly ever, random people suffered something of an ideological/spiritual crisis. Definitely in the U.S. 9/11 galvanized a rabid, orgiastic brand of patriotism in many - and thoughtful pained Hamlet-like introspection in others. I dare not go into the matter further, though I hope it is obvious how the kids born into that energy will be tainted by issues of ideology, temperance, and their role in the larger world.To go back to Susie So-and-so, let's say that (like you) she had her
in , directly opposing the 12degree. It means that, in her life, she will forever be witnessing, personally, the fallout of 9/11 and all it brought. That, in spite of her best intentions, she will always manage to push people's buttons whenever she speaks. She will find herself taking sides and defending points that either makes others re evaulate their lives, or will make her unpopular - she might even find occasion to be thought of as 'a terrorist .. an agitator' in her life. People will forever be projecting onto her all the crap that 9/11 raised.In an astrological sense, Susie can't help it - through those personal planets there, her whole mode of expression is meant to polarize. Compare her with someone who has no personal planets near 12degree
, for whom 9/11 was just'that weird thing that happened' and for whom the whole generational drama is just noise in the background.
In your case, with the
in , your generational baggage had all to do with relating, social/gender roles, the institutions of marriage, partnerships of all sorts, etc. saw the solidification of FEminism and the tail-end of the Sexual revolution, the American decision (roe v. wade) that made abortion legal and federally protected, which helped liberate women from the bondage of involuntary breeding etc. Social and sexual roles were severely tested. A divorce epidemic arose which affected all of us born in those years. EtcIn the larger world, US foreign relations showed a definitely 'unloving' and 'unbrotherly' relating to the rest of the world (and for all of those still stuck in the offended-Polyanna "why do they hate us???" of the
saturated 9/11 reminiscing, you might view US foreign policy in the 70s as the merest CLUE). Aside from the Vietnam debacle end, the 70s show a definite, relentless intervention on freely elected governments all over South America. This link states that, between 1972 and 1984 (the range, roughly of ), the US made no less than 16 incursions and interventions in latin america - probably more.http://www.zompist.com/latam.htmlDoes any of this, Martin, ring a bell? Does any of this I state make you feel particularly uncomfortable, or excited, or fired up? Do people ever accuse you of (like the US policy of the 70s) forcing your hand too much? Do you find yourself in conflicts with women? Is there something in you that feels particularly affected, confused, antagonized by the ways that men seem to relate with women nowadays? Have you had male role models who talk about 'the good ole days'? Do you ever act out that tension in your relationships? This is what I meant when I talked about 'influence' & 'fate'. Just the understanding that we are all dealing with relationship, but you deal with it on a personal level.
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